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Believable statistics? The powerpc discussion continued

Believable Statistics? The PPC discussion continued. There's been a spicy article against the Breakpoint orgas in JP#14. And now it goes on.

Believable Statistics? The PPC-Discussion continued
by Kaosmaster

If you have been reading JP 14 you will have found out that top writer Lars „Ghandy“ Sobiraj had signed a spicy article against the BreakPoint organizers.

This caused a hell of noise in the jungle! Involving many factions: The 68k purists, the PowerPC Open-Minded sceners, the Red & blue one better known as AmigaOS4 and Pegasos factions as well as the BP organizers. What caused this big bang in the Jungle? Quite simple to answer: PPC Demos have been excluded from the main Amiga competition.

„No PPC Amiga this time!“

Demoscene through time and space
excerpt from the bp07 website.

The organizers declared: „No PPC Amiga this time!“ The compo machine will be an A4000, equipped with a 060 @ 50Mhz with at least 32MB fastmem. No chance for delivering an Amiga One, PPC or Pegasos demo this year. At least not for the Amiga competition.“

Why is it fair to support the old legacy Amiga 68k line whereas new and fresh powerpc machines are NOT supported? We have them in many flavours: Amiga One, MicroAmiga I and C, Pegasos I and Pegasos II. And others are still to come.

Now let’s make a step backward: The Breakpoint organizers issued a survey after Breakpoint 2005.

The survey

That’s all Amiga hardware for me, let everything stay as it is.
19.4% (60)

Pegasos isn’t really Amiga, but PPC should continue to be allowed. Pegasos entries should go into „Real Wild“ competition.
17.2% (53)

Amiga compos should be 68k only! PPC and Pegasos should go into „Real Wild“ competition.
25.2% (78)

Honestly I’m not into that Amiga stuff too much, and unsure about the hardware difference.
16.2% (50)

I don’t care, do as you wish.
21.0% (65)

TOTAL 99.0% (303)

First of all I would like to make you notice that 303 visitors on a total of 309 have answered. And only about 109 are Amiga sceners. That theorically means that about 200 PC/C64/MAC sceners have answered to something beyond their kwowledge. I would like to quote Krabob while he rolls up his sleeves and points

„(Most) PC users * never * understood the Amiga scene. Too complex.“ Holy words, actually, our situation is soo complex that it is also hard for us, real amiga sceners, to define a clear path out of the mist.

Somewhere on the net: On pouet.net we can find one funky comment of shanethewolf (plz don’t feed the troll – the Mained):

They are under no obligation to support failed platforms or else they’d have to include Falcon, CDI and god knows what other platforms to be fair.“ That’s really comic as more or less one third are Amigans.

Only 5,2 % users with a powerpc computer?

But I want to suggest that this is bullshit. The BP organizers held another survey, asking sceners on which platform they were mainly active. The results:

PC 69.6% (215)
C64 21.0% (65)
Amiga AGA 19.4% (60)
classical Amiga ECS 10.4% (32)
Amiga PPC 5.2% (16)
Atari 1.3% (4)
Mac 6.1% (19)
XBOX 2.9% (9)
Dreamcast3.6% (11)
Playstation 1.3% (4)
PS2 2.3% (7)
PSP 1.0% (3)
Pokemon Mini 1.6% (5)
Gameboy/GBC 9.1% (28)
other/not listed 15.2% (47)

Let’s do some maths, so 60+32+16 = 108 sceners – that is 35% of the survey without considering that the number of people who voted C64 was probably a bit too high, as some C64 news portal directly linked to the survey without any hint that it was for visitors only.

Well over an hundred visitors were Amigans! One third of the total amount of visitors and no Amiga organizer? That does not seem cute. Our fault or BP Organizers fault? The Devil finds work for idle hands to do! While this sort of free survey seems BP fault the tables are turned if we consider something by investigating deeper.

The other side of the medal

As a matter of fact, Scamp remembers that exactly ZERO Amiga sceners have offered joining the Breakpoint organizing team. While the mighty C64 scene teamed up with 4 well known c64 sceners! That will make sure their hardware platform gets the care it deserves. No Amigan to represent and fight for the Amiga Demo Scene! Has Germany run out of Amigans? Maybe next time Ghandy could be there, in the jungle, to be our voice! Just imagine Lars like Tarzan… jumping from one tree to another, in leopard skins! Emh… back to reality!

Scamp also commented: „I’d say from the previous Breakpoints that the Amiga scene at BP is pretty alive and kicking, and won’t go away anytime soon. […] And if the Amiga scene wishes to see additional Amiga-specific features at Breakpoint, we need Amiga sceners to join the organizing team. If the C64 scene is able to do that, the Amiga scene too should be.“

If you think that you are the right one! this is the opportunity to join the BP crew! This is the opportunity to do something of important for the Amiga demo scene!


Additional comment by Selecta Novel

We received this comment quite some time ago. That said, I want to apologize to Kaosmaster for the delay, as his powerpc comment is a bit outdated at some points: As you know, the Breakpoint staff eventually got their hands on Charlie, a guy who actually is into Amiga stuff, for the competitions. That seemed to have worked well.

Still, it would be nice to have more Amiga orgas at BP so that we can feel our platform a bit more represented at the biggest demoscene event. Regarding powerpc, I tend towards voting against it, but the survey results are not as clear as it was commonly stated. 19.4% say, it’s all Amiga, 17.2% say that PPC should be allowed. That’s 36.6% voting FOR PPC in the Amiga compo which is clearly above 25.2% who are AGAINST it. The residual of 37,2% doesn’t know or doesn’t care. My interpretation: The relevant majority wants PPC in the Amiga compo. But I guess I am too late in this discussion.

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Lars Sobiraj fing im Jahr 2000 an, als Quereinsteiger für verschiedene Computerzeitschriften tätig zu sein. 2006 kamen neben gulli.com noch zahlreiche andere Online-Magazine dazu. Er ist der Gründer von Tarnkappe.info. Außerdem brachte Ghandy, wie er sich in der Szene nennt, seit 2014 an verschiedenen Hochschulen und Fortbildungseinrichtungen den Teilnehmern bei, wie das Internet funktioniert.